L&T Archive 1998-2003

To say nothing of other Commons such as Pasture,
In Response To: ...and running..... ;-) ()

Gate, Foldage, Piscary, the various kinds of Bote in Estovers (such as Firebote, Housebote, Ploughbote, and Haybote), Waste and Corrody.

The Butler Branch United Empire Loyalists newsletter linked below opens with these items from a will. The entire newsletter is very interesting as it covers only material during Jane Austen's lifetime about which she would be aware although she did not mention it in her novels.

] Agreed- office in the public service, in the miltary, in trade- they all had a financial value. So did marriage, houshold servitude, and the right to pannage, turbery and estover. That was the eighteenth century mindset- the Church was no different than the rest of society in this.

] From the viewpoint of Wilberforce or Wesley (which I do not share), there was something quite wrong with a culture where no one thought it improper or unusual for a modest, retiring young man of good family like Edward Ferrars to take orders simply because the Church was a quiet, respectable alternative to the Bar, the Army or the Navy.

] Did Edward decide this "simply" because the the Church was quiet an respectable, or did Jane Austen intend him to have a real calling, but did not feel necessary to explicitly state this?

To prefer the quiet work of a parish priest was not a simple escape from public wrangling of the barrister and politics and was not a cop-out but a simple preference. Edward found the army too smart, too fashionable for himself, and he said that he was too old for the navy (actually some midshipmen had joined the navy at Edward's age, but it is a good excuse and you will never find one of Jane Austen's heroes knocking the navy). I agree that Edward had had a calling to the ministry of the church. Besides, if England cannot allow him to live quietly in the country, the sovereign may one day appoint him Archbishop of Canterbury--and then he should have astonished and gratified his mother by gaining much greater office than would have been possible through the bar, the army, or even the navy. However, he is not ambitious and the crozier is not his goal; whereas ambition is essential to do well at lawyering, the army, and the navy.

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Right of advowson
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Livings
Curates were as well educated as the rest of them.....
Clerical qualifications
Education
University Education
Not really.....
The church
Taking this one step further.....
Military Intellect
Addendum
Amry NAvy
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Bligh & Luck
blihg and luck
Military Intellect
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clergy
education and teh clergy
Then read on.....
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Installation
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Jack, please have a little more care......
Parsons
Pannage, Turbery, Estover
See the UELA link here
Please Accept My Most Humble Apologies (nfm)
To say nothing of other Commons such as Pasture,
Thank you , John!
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Jane Austen's father
Excellent book.......