L&T Archive 1998-2003

To be fair to the more egalitarian side

] What we do know is that JA did appreciate there was inequality in a class society, and wrote about it. Isn't that good enough?

I can understand that some feel it is not. I can understand that some find her pity for Elizabeth Bennet or even Miss Bates distrubing when she does not even bother to recognize there were those that did not have anything to eat.

Her gypsie attack has been said to be a sort of subversive comment on local poverty but others don't necessarily agree.

I can understand the view that the notion of a higher and more "refined air" is highly judgemental and ridiculous. In a way I too agree. Who cares how Mr. Martin walks and talks - what is important is how he acts, his character and what he knows. What would it matter if he was clownish anymore than it should matter that Charlotte Lucas is plain?

The lifestyle of the upperclass was meant to enforce a kind of elegance the lower classes could never even aspire to holding. And that is somewhat disturbing IMHO. There is a thread of entitlement and desert as though these qualities made them better people.

Elizabeth Bennet's defence is that she is a gentleman's daughter and therefore Darcy's "equal". The message is not that she is his equal because she is a person or intelligent or even chosen by Mr. Darcy - but based on her birth rank.

There is of course much to contradict this view. BUt I think the discomfort has merit. Strong merit - there were contemporaries that did not feel as Austen did.

] Do you really believe that JA really appreciated our so-
] called inequalities in her society? i.e. servants, slavery etc.

] People work for other people today - I do very long hours for my employer in my office job for a few pounds so I can live.

And my dear does it make it any better today than it was then? Austen recognized it when it was a member of her own class being forced to do so. I sympathize with Jane Fairfax and her having to go into service. But I am never asked to sympathise with Hill, Jessima, Mrs. Reynolds, Hannah or countless other mentioned servants. I am sure none of them earned what I might consider respectable wages (except perhaps Mrs. R).

But then Austen was not Charles Dickens - I am not sure she wanted to shape the opinion of her audience in that way.

Messages In This Thread

Bad Jane..
Whitewashing JA
One possible cause?
Cassandra and Whitewashing
Actually, Cassandra is innocent of burning Jane's letters...
Thank you, Mary. News indeed1 NFM
Yes, Mary..have you got time for more?
"Time for more" about Caroline and Cassandra...
LOL! Thank you, Mary!
Re: Cassandra not burning letters..
Cassandra and the letters
What's The Problem
The problem is..
Is It, Then?
Oh, Jack!
Point Taken -- Sorry nfm
Basis for argument..?
Dear Aunt Jane
Jane the Impaler
Women are rational creatures
Really? Then you might enjoy...
Lovely Insights
As I said
A Bit Thin
Good or bad ?
What *is* wrong with having servants?
On servants and slaves
Thomas Clarkson
Follow this link
THE industrial town - depicted by Jane
And the town you are referring to is...? nfm
And the Answer Is
The Royal Naval Dockyard, Portsmouth
I take your point, but
Portsea
You got me! Good point. nfm
And another industrial site.....
You can't fool me! It's Lyme, of course. nfm
True, but
Hmm......
St Giles and Seven Dials
British public opinion in 1814
To be fair to the more egalitarian side
Another idea?
Let other pens dwell on guilt and misery
Brought Up To It